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Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for (STGUN52) Advert5x4" For Reliability Always Choose Laurona, Gunmakers, Spain at the best online prices at eBay! Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. Double Barrel Shotgun. OldGuns Newsletter . Locks are scroll engraved and marked "C. G. Bonehill". Overall length is 48". Belgian gun makers of that era were notorious for blatantly copying other makers firearms, using names that were close to famous makers such as "W Richards" for "Westley . After this, the firearm is examined to make sure it is still intact and if so, the metal (usually the barrel) is stamped with . Behr Jean jacques However, there are more proof marks that I cannot find on the internet. On this page, once you scroll past the patent stuff, you'll find a gun very much like yours. William Moore 7 Co. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Each gun maker is presented with the maximum of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces . Bultot Jean How do I price this piece? Berleur Guillaume Eventually, the company developed the Savage Model 99, a classic hunting rifle the company had produced for nearly 100 years. Broqua & Scholberg Colt Browning M1895 (Potato Digger) Air-Cooled, Belt-Fed Machine Gun. Browse our collection of pre-1899 antique shotguns below. As I've said, I'm not an expert. We provide antiqueguns prices and pictures of each antique gun we sell. B. Tradename on guns made in Belgium, c.1900. Photos of the flats on the barrels and on the action would help a lot. How does it open? Belgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 preBelgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 pre 1898 fine old Belgium imported exposed hammer shotgun, Leige proofed, floral engraved receiver showing some; FINE 19C. Stock has a repaired crack behindlocks. Stocks are finely figured walnut with checkered butt. Comblain Dieudonn Joseph Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheux's 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges. So I'd guess it was made in the late 1800's. Bertrand Antoine Very little: I'm assuming it isn't a muzzleloader but a breechloader, which means it could be as early as 1860-1865, say. If 'JF' it could be Janssen Fils or Frres. For other antique firearms, check out our antique handguns, antique long guns, and old ammo, tools & neat stuff. The 12C in the diamond is the nominal bore diameter - again 12g - but in French - 'calibre 12'. Hammers function properly. Britte Frres Ever seen that? In its small version its a acceptance mark on barrels that was exported in a unfinished state 1846-1893, In its small version its a black powder mark on small pistols and revolvers barrels 1866-1893, In its small version its a black powder mark on small revolvers cylinders 1866-1893. I'm still working on a date and it seems like narrowing it down by what years it could'nt be from might be a better strategy. Bodson TH. Hammers cock and function properly. 3 into Europe is unknown. The problem is this mark was used from 1818 (muzzle loading period) until 1893, so that hardly narrows down the time frame. Engraving on lock and hamer are faint. Colard Louis - Counet Lonard Ray D, STOGERS, advertised them as being made for the AFRICAN tribes to hunt with because with them they would not be able to rebel against the BELGIAN rulers who had modern arms. Description 12 GA. Very good overall condition. they were made + or - 1900 to 1930's. Fair overall condition. As for proof marks, the oval with E/LG/* inside makes it indeed Belgian. "Any maker's name or place of origin? I have pics of the Proof marks I want to show you. Damascus barrels are 29". Area Code: 804. But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one can't get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one can't find the inspectors mark. Good overall condition. Christophe Louis Thanks so much. Smith & Wesson markets gun accessories, handcuffs, safes, apparel, watches, collectibles, knives, tools, air guns, and myriad other products under its brand name, including cologne, handbags, and washing machines. Hammers cock and function properly. [Later note: Gerhard Wirnsberger has written. Baltus - Wilmotte Hammers cock and action works properly. Forearm has a chip. I'm very excited and can't wait for some replies. presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are CLIMAS Tradename used by J. Stevens Arms Co. on guns. I've owned two Belgian side by sides and two Browning Superposed, so I guess I can say that I have some acquaintance withtwentieth centuryones, but unlike my posts on antique English shotguns I don't have an antique Belgian one at hand to describe. Bores are excellent. Sidelock with hammers manufactured by C.G. M Mecar (4 P) Pages in category "Firearm manufacturers of Belgium" . I also looked at other European proof marks but didn't find the one you mention: compare http://www.cornellpubs.com/Catalog/proof-marks-intl.pdf. It has punched on one side of barrel 17.2, on the other side punched JC, EL ,pinfire symbol, K and crown on its top, E LG little crown under them in oval.Please help me to get the closest identification for this nice firearm. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. Bte" tells us the maker: it stands for "Dieudonn Debouxthay Brevete", or "Patent Dieudonn Debouxthay" in English. We don't know a lot about this maker except that he set up shop at 5 Pelham's Lane in Colchester, Essex, from 1901 to 1913. Bores are excellent. The Belgian-made Auto-5 gets more accolades, but the Miroku A-5 is the better gun. Locks are marked "Perkins". It has a thick patina all over except the underside of the barrel and the ramrod is thick enough to beat a mule to death with. Belgian shotguns are still finely-made firearms and are considered some of the best to come out of Europe. Beuret Frres Damascus barrels are approximately 30". Consignment Sale Information. Action works properly and hammers cock. vast quantity of data to treat, the global work was parted in a series of publications, . I'll restrict myself therefore tosaying something about gun making in Belgium and offering some proof marks. Project Upland. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Bayet Frres The slot for the pin had to be welded up and a firing pin installed.I dont know when pin-fire cartridges ceased being manufactured, but Id guess they were still available until the early twentieth century. The frontend remains original. into which each separate book is dealing with a small portion of the whole, and that is Spesco was based in Atlanta, GA, and imported a variety of reproduction and modern guns in the 1960's and 70's.It would be a good idea to check that the rifle is unloaded. $28,000.00. stream Good overall condition. Locks are marked "Parker Bros" and have some original case colors in protected areas. Quality: Our mission is to preserve old firearms catalogs at a reasonable price before they are all gone, but our reprints are NOT forgeries of originals, they are exact copies of the originals but not necessarily the exact size or on the original paper or with the original binding. Damascus barrels are 36". Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Lige is in the French-speaking part of Belgium. i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. Sidelock double with hammers. Call Mick direct on 07970 239211 - Or dial 0044 7970 239211 if calling from outside the UK | MicksGuns343@gmail.com 1848. Courard N. The size of this book of 232 pages I can't find any other mumbers on the gun other than the multiple proof markings that I will post later. It is a 12 gauge with 70mm = 2 3/4" chambers. Any info will help. Side by side field gun manufactured in the 1860's. New York: A. S. Barnes, 1961. I can send pictures of it. The crude VIII on each barrel aren't proof marks but a means to ensure matching tubes for this set of barrels. Good overall condition. Locks are scroll engraved and marked "J. Manton & Co.". Included is a copy of the factory Ledger sheet .Click for more info. Anonymes Metal has an even brown patina. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Email: ghcox3@gmail.com. Side by side with auto ejectors and single selective trigger. I have pictures If you need them. Original Ithaca butt plate is not chipped or cracked. Berleur Michel Sounds like a 19th C. Belgian pinfire shotgun (grin). Bettonville - Fontaine Please - no questions about your old guns. Breechloaders had existed previously, but Casimir Lefaucheuxs 1835 invention of the pin-fire cartridgea cylinder with a pin extending at right angles to the base which detonated a fulminate charge in the cartridgequickly led to better breechloading systems and to the development first of rimfire and then of centerfire cartridges.Dating pin-fire guns: the 1835 date of Lefaucheuxs invention gives us a convenient terminus a quo: if the pin-fire wasnt invented until 1835, any pin-fire gun cannot be earlier than 1835. Smith Quality No. Be sure to bookmark our new arrivals page and check it often. Revolving Carbine / Shotgun. 1839. 3 was 33 grains = 3 Dram Equivalent Bulk Smokeless powder and was introduced into the U.S. of A. in 1904. Can you add any details? Belgian Pinfire. this book online and pay it through Paypal. This one was engraved by Jules Eugne Schoffeniels. Bury was famous for his double rifles and also built the legendary Super Britte. I have my grand dads Belgian Browning A5 Sweet Sixteen. Good overall condition. As the old saying has it, "The buyer needs a thousand eyes; the seller, only one." But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. No small part of the Belgians' remarkableability to meet the demands of a wide variety of firms trading all over the world was their willingness to go on producing type of guns that were obsolete. listed in alphabetical order. Subcategories This category has only the following subcategory. Some of the links in the first post are inactive and can not be edited. Can't help much w/o some photos (send to ghcox3@gmail.com). Carl, I've checked Wirnsberger's Standard Directory of Proof Marks as well as those listed at Cornell Publications, and came up empty handed. The Modern Shotgun. Revolver. Cap Joseph ]v8 >ZX 2Fu}) You can easily choose the shotgun you need on Ammoterra.com. Any help would be appreciated. If there is no Lion over PV, the gun was NOT proved for smokeless powder. The English Goldsmiths Marks from 1400 to 1900 ~ 11000 Makers Marks and Hallmarks from ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, AND IRELAND ~ RARE Reference Book For Collectors Over 700 pages, Collectors and dealers will by the aid of this work be enabled to locate and fix the date of much English, Scottish and Irish plate, and to identify many marks which have been My best guess is that it's a maker's mark, but of course I could be wrong. Charlier Ch. L.C. Liege, Belgium has been a gunmaking center for centuries. Can you send me some, Ed? Thanks a ton this, helped me identify a friends old revolver. Any idea what it all means? Chambers are 2 3/4". I have a Belgium 38-40 with a 7 in barrel all matching. The inspectors mark is still an secret so the list here should be regarded as uncertain, but it can in some cases give a more accurate dating that the stamps. Share to Facebook. It is a hammer back breakaway 12 gauge side by side. . The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Hi, Jeremy. 8. . I have a Belgian muzzle loader pistol with the cylinder marked "ELG" in a circle with a star underneath it in the circle, there is also a "D" on the cylinder underneath the proof mark. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Please have a look around. Share to Twitter. Counet - Genot Ancion Jacques & Cie For sale is a unique old Damascus steel Very large double barrel 10 ga shot gun. Audio Books & Poetry; Computers, Technology and Science; Music, Arts & Culture; News & Public Affairs; . Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, Brandon, but I've been out of the country w/o internet access. Don't know about the Star P. And I don't ever evaluate guns. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! $1,750.00. Hunting, fishing, cooking, and other critical aspects of life. Shotgun Serial *Belgium Browning A5 Automatic 12 ga. Debouxthay was a gunmaker in Liege, Belgium, active at least from 1888-1904. Shouldn't be hard to find! The mark was seldom requested, Chamber dimensions in millimeters shotguns undergoing smokeless proof. It was mandatory post-1924. It has a gold trigger and serial number starts with an x. I'm very curious as to why there is an "FN" above the serial #. This is a typical 16 gauge of the period between 1912 and 1939. The wood does not look ancient so I am guessing in the 1970s or so. Thomas Jefferson. Bottom or receiver is marked "Harvey Exeter" and "Patent No 4395". Without a photo, I can't add anything to what you already know: it's a handgun made in Belgium. Bodson N. Closset Louis Sorry! Is there a stamp of LLH on the tubes forward of the flats? I suspect the gun is a Janssen. Maybe one day sombody will kiss alive this sleeping beauty. All iron construction with skeleton type stock. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. There's no indication of chamber length--but that didn't begin until 1892.The other marks I can't identify.So what can I tell you? Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! Circa 1880's. Locks are marked "T. Barker". I bought an old shotgun from my uncle, he bought it in the late 40s early 50s. The famous "hump back" was made in countless configurations and gauges. Very long barrel. Free ground shipping on all US Online Orders over $100! 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Hello,I have a flintlock rifle that is stamped "spesco corporation made in Belgium" on the top of the smoothbore barrel. To my knowledge, there isn't a book out that covers European proof marks: If someone knows about such a book, please add a comment with that information. I'm a ypunger collector/gun activist. This gun weighs 13.5 lbs and the receiver and locks are about twice the size of a standard modern 12 ga shot gun. Weight of proofed barrels, after 1924 fractions of grams no longer used. Seller: Jacob Hranowskyj. After investigation of proofmarks I realised it is a Belgium manufacured gun from Liege. Judging by the comments that appeared when I Googled "spesco corporation," your guess is on target. 1890. The 1KG 545 is the barrel weight in grams. The "Military Factory" name and MilitaryFactory.com logo are registered U.S. trademarks protected by all applicable domestic and international intellectual property laws. Quick Facts 7. On top between the barrels "CANONS ACIER GARANTI". The British Sporting Gun and Rifle: Pursuit of Perfection 1850-1900. Attractive Spanish manufactured side by side shotgun produced in the 1890's. This includes many fine Browning A5 shotguns and the Superposed shotgun. The date stamps is not used on all guns, otherwise that is the most accurate. Comblain Damascus barrels are 29". Parker Brothers - One of the most famous shotgun manufacturers started making double barrel shotguns in 1868. And I have a photo taken at Winchester, TX with Maj. Thomas Doan during the Dusty March, July 1863, Dechard, TN. Barrel is 31" marked "London Fine Twist". Nr. Scarce 10 gauge. This was the result of John M. Browning's lasting relationship with Fabrique Nationale, in . and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive **DISCLAIMER** Do not use modern high pressure ammo in damascus barrels. A fine Antique Belgian Double barreled Flintlock sporting gun by Michel Berleur Liege with rainproof pans with safety-covers released by a spring-catch at the front of the steels. Where did you find the Falla mark? Counet-Leboulle J. The crown R and star P stamped on the barrel, receiver, and cylinder. I can't tell if it was proved for nitro: those have a lion over the PV. Also on the chamber there are three marks, one which I have not been able to identify, but appears to be provisional proof? Damascus barrels are 32" choked cylinder. Action works properly. Savage was founded in 1894 by Arthur Savage in New York after years of tinkering with lever-action rifle designs. Using a shotgun shell (a self-contained cartridge with multiple small, sphere-shaped projectiles) instead of a usual bullet is what makes a shotgun a separate kind of a gun. Barrel rib is unmarked. Bovy Thodore Joseph On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. The tubes were made by the talented Belgian mechanic Joseph Cap. Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1 By Alain Daubresse This printed and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of the 20th century. Bischop Pierre So the barrel strength would be just a bit less than "modern" barrels; but not the corrosion resistance of Winchester Nickel Steel or AISI 4140. Do check with a gunsmith before you shoot it! Worldwide Logistics for all your products. They differ tremendously in style and shape, and the advice given above by 4575wcf is good. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. . Andr M.J. Bury is a typical belgian Boxlock gun in 16/65 with 66 cm barrels and a weight of only 2,6 Kg. Do you have any information on them? In the U.S., American made guns tend to be more desirable and more valuable than others, especially from the flintlock era. A fantastic 10 gauge sidelock from a quality manufacturer. In 1899 alone, the U.S. firms of Hartley & Graham and Simmons Hardware bought 90,000 shotguns, rifles, and handguns from Liege gunmakers. (copy right L.R. The Lion Rampant over PV was applied to the Optional Supplementary Smokeless proof for shotguns in 1898. Today, Belgian firearms designer Francotte builds famed double barreled shotguns and fine rifles. 1891 - present 16 Barrel weight in grams of nitro proofed shotguns. Action works properly. The one on the far right is the definite proof for nitro, or smokeless powder. Barrels are nicely patterened damasucs measuring 30" choked modified. Savage Arms stayed busy during World War II like many gun industry members. A handsome and unusual shotgun. Savage continued to build guns under the A.H. Fox name into the 1940s. But despite the history the belgian proof stamps are rather straight forward, normally one cant get more information from the proof more than it has been done if one cant find the inspectors mark. Mark for optional superior provisional proof. Receiver has approximately 75% original nickel plating. This is a rare 20 gauge August Lebeau double barrel shotgun, side locks, extractors, factory 2 3/4 inch chambers, ordered and shipped in 1912 to Russia. Many thanxPS:. JavaScript is disabled. Add to Cart Compare. HI, John. Wish I could be more helpful! The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. have a great day! Braekers Charles & Cie Christophe & Montigny Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2 The text is written in French AND English. Cachoir arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. SCH or EC is abbreviations of the powder: SCH meaning Schultze. Stock has an old crack near wedge on left side. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. 2 On barrel locking system or chamber if the lumps are part of the barrel after final black powder proof, Preliminary proof for unfinished barrels, and indicated barrels had not been weakened after proof by breeching, Used on muzzle loaders, Bore diameter in millimeters. - Galoppin European - especially English, French, German, and Italian - guns can also have good value. Today's biography is a guest post by our friend Robert White - thanks, Robert! Do you have any knowlege of pinfire double barrels? Scroll Down on Alphabetical List of Gun Makers - Manufacturers - Dealers P to T Prechtl, Gottfried Jagd- und Sportwaffen Auf der Aue 3 D - 69488 BirkenauGermany Telefon +49 6201 167 88 E-Mail: info@prechtl-waffen.de Or any info? A Adaptive Tactical Shotguns American Tactical Shotguns B Baikal Shotguns Barrett Shotguns Benelli Shotguns Beretta Shotguns Blaser Shotguns Browning Shotguns C Century Shotguns Charles Daly Shotguns Chiappa Shotguns John M. Browning's first rifle, the Single Shot, was made in Ogden, Utah. See Kennett's # 2 and # 9 above. A very sound in proof gun with very nice barrels. Chartier For now, the year of introduction of E.C. Action and hammers work properly. Dallas, Donald. Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Length of pull is 14 5/8. English sidelock with hammers by Manton. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Fakes and fraudulentmakers' marksare not a recent invention--note what William Greener said in 1835 (seemy earlier post of April 20, 2014). Double Barrel Shotgun. A.H. Fox guns came in 12-gauge, 16-gauge, and 20-gauge. On barrel action of breech loading shotgun after the gun has passed proof with semi-smokeless powder . By Alain Daubresse. I occasionally found two typical examples with a gunmaker friend nearby. So the only indicator of the chamber depth is found with the stamp of the Chamber dimensions? Thanks! Baron Emile American Gunsmiths by Sellers, and American Gun Makers by Gluckman & Satterlee list American makers. Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. Length of chamber over diameter of chamber. Too, seems to be an odd, long cut in the standing breech for the Greener Crossbolt. thanks for the help so far. Due to the To make purchases and use the full site services, register or login your account. Rib is marked "Vicente Arizmendi Eibar". Are also discussed the many markings found applied on the guns and their Small arms currently in service by national army. Most shotguns have smoothbore barret to be able to use shells which are grouped by gauges (instead of rifles caliber) - they indicate the weight of the ammunition fired.

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