The full details of what happened at Fisher Moore College need to be made public. Tulsa, OK Home Base - Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter Home Base by Fr. Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. Watch on EWTN's Raymond Arroyo recently interviewed two priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP): Fr. Rev. Louie will never bore a reader, guaranteed. But then again, Sister Lucia warned us; didnt she-? For this reason Catholics must be wary of them. There is a glee I read here when piokolby and rich and some others come out with yet another outrageous statement about somebody. Whether you believe the Pope IS the Pope (but in grave error and behaving as a Heretic) or the Pope IS NOT the Pope (for the same reasons), the fact remains that we are all suffering Catholics, striving to restore what is birthright membership through Baptism in the True Church of Christthe Holy, Roman Catholic Church. I think Novus Ordo Traditionalists, in my opinion are generally of goodwill, but actually end up causing scandal through false obedience. Scranton, PA 4th group SSPX canonically founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1970. Wolfe) said earlier: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA Do they disagree with Voris? The Church is a home, and that is because it begins with a Person, Jesus Christ, true God and true Man. Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? Louie does a fine job of using his layman status in the correct way, although he steps over the line on occasion. Saguto? I suppose that you wont change your mind, as you have said that you already looked at the links above, but I wanted you to know (with my greatest respect for you) that the Lazarus story does not add strength to the thrice-condemned divine mercy case. Things had got worse since 1970 and the SSPX Was trying to compromise its previous postion on the council with rome order to be accepted by rome. Denton, NE (Seminary) Yes, I feel certain that this unfortunate behavior comes from both sides of the aisle (so to speak). Subjectively, the pope will recognize their jurisdiction at that point. Keep up the great work. Pastor of Queen of the Holy Rosary in Vienna. There is, in any event, no SSPX or sedevacantist chapel within easy driving distance of me even if I wanted to go. Clarkdale, AZ Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary We are loathe to believe that our leaders could possibly mislead us, even to the point where certain propositions set forth in an ecumenical council are a danger to the faith. I suggest you show more charity to Catholics. For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. I didnt see you mention (granted -perhaps I missed it?) Michael Voris right now has a post up attacking the SSPX and he directly links to the FSSP site in Scotland and names Father John Emerson FSSP. Do you have any insight on this? Nada. 8:00am Preparation for Mass*. 2:00pm Keynote Speaker - Jeffrey Ostrowski. Perhaps bc of those such as yourself who have been poorly & even cruelly treated by a sedevacantist somewhere along the line, some proceed to make vast generalizations. Sacrificate sacrificium justitiae, et sperate in Domino, Telephone: (570) 842-4000Fax: (570) 319-9770info@fssp.com, Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter450 Venard RoadSouth Abington Township, PA 18411, SupportPrivacy PolicyMachine Readable Files, Adjutorium Program (Masses for Living and Deceased Members), Webinar Today: St. John Bosco Camp Application Launch. Whether or not they actually desire her destruction, or are simply operating in ignorance, is of no bearing on the present matter whatsoever. Im sure some people reading this comment section of louies fine blog will be scratching their heads thinking so many different opinions on the same topic whats it all about.. Im not talking about those who comment but readers of louies blog who might just be coming across these topics for the first time. Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? Since becoming a sedevacantist, I have broken contact w/many of my family who consider themselves to be traditional catholics even as they stopped believing in confession when they were in college, attended mass whenever they feel like it, but always go to communion, are sterilized, use birth control, are divorced and remarried, are pro-abortion, are pro-homosexual marriage, dont believe anyone is going to hell, believe everyone is saved w/out being baptized or Catholic, are married to unbaptized persons, never go to mass, raise their children w/these values, never prayed the rosary with their children who are now 35 etc. Where to begin? For these past years weve all been discussing how Pope Francis couldnt care less about dogma, doctrine, rules and rubrics. Where are the readers of this blog who have had enough of this detraction and gossip? He knows very well (as he and I had discussed in some detail on more than one occasion) that the SSPX came about as a very direct response to the errors of the Second Vatican Council and the deplorable theology of the Novus Ordo Missae. Many in the world only have the SSPX chapels or missionary priests to attend the traditional Latin Mass. For anyone who wishes to gain knowledge on the position, the information is out there. The way it is done here by poikolby and some others is NOT the Catholic way taught by Jesus Himself. Thank you for your kind response which I believe to be as sincere as my question. every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass. Those who favour the Society of St. Pius X will not change their minds. No the abandoning of Christ for the FSSP is a doctrinal matter: S testigo de la experiencia de la. Naples, FL This comes about in various ways. It has all been discussed in detail in the comment section on the above link, about half way down the page. Thats Mr. V.s job. It is a reaction to the dreadful years after the Second Vatican Council which is getting worse by the minute. Im glad you agree that Fisher Mores story is so important. Problem sorted. Dear de Maria nunquam satis, Voris has, in many cases, exposed the corruption inside the N.O. As , albeit indirectly, pointed out in a discussion with my2cents below, trads have 2 things in common: they love the so called latin mass & they revile sedevacantists. Nicholson) with the SSPX marks him out as, Im afraid, something of a fanatic. rich, Quincy, IL In real life, the sounds I hear are absolutely luscious and absolutely glorious. That said, we disagree on the points you bring up. This is the depths to which mens minds can sink when they are not moored to the pursuit of truth. It can be done, but always with a view that charity is the FIRST item ticked off. I will look at the link of this man who was dead. Until then, Ill continue to uphold the duty of engaging his folly here such as Im able. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. Fr. Gruner were very sensational to say the least. But if the situation is such that no connection whatsoever with the rest of the Church can be justified, then what you really have to be advocating is full-blown sedevacantism. John 10:11], http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1870-will-you-die-for-him-a-sermon-on-the-eve-of-persecution-in-america, (3) SSPX now that it is wanting to be in full communion w/heretics is pretty silent itself. The Missive. Opus dei (small d) is the lace connecting all the dots of the CMTV operation that not many people appear to be willing to look into. All evil? It answers a lot of questions I had in my mind. They prefer the Traditional Mass for sure but they are not going to cause any scandal to other Catholics by being disobedient to the Pope even when doing so would help to save souls. Refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff by the Society can be seen in their refusal to reconcile and place themselves under the authority of the Vicar of Christ, rejecting his dogmatically defined full power of shepherding, ruling and governing the universal Church, a power ordinary and immediate over all the churches and over each and every member of the faithful.. Hello: I am a sedevacantist. I think it is excellent. It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. I like Rad Trad would like to say more but in Justice I can not. God bless you. your above comments are quite smug and patronizing. Honestly, we all need to be quite compassionate towards one another and realize that we know nothing about each other except that we love the Faith. Satan did it 3. Allentown, PA FUNERAL HOMES. This is what michael voris used to say Grega's departure from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter could have been given. I will say this: Stay away from the FSSP, Taylor Marshall and CMTV. Michael Saguto passed away in New York, New York. Denver, CO *** Dwelling in their castle of self-righteousness, they are blinded & cannot see that courageous Catholics like yourself will risk all to protect another Catholic from experiencing degradation at the hands of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Their bad fruit is well know. Ad majorem Dei gloriam. Please look more closely at this. A great film and you posted it on St. Joseph of Cupertinos feast day! Not good enough for some here. But everyone one who has signed off on VII by professing obedience to it and its heresiarchs is outside the Church. In the meantime, Im glad to say that I now fully support you and have put my money where my mouth is. The modernists are suborning the so-called traditionalists. Youngstown, OH. Hence the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.. Apr 20, 2020. FSSP International Dear grandfather of. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA. The real truth of the matter is that some of them are not doing or saying what piokolby wants them to do or say. 1:00pm Keynote Speaker - Dr. Robert Loretz. Harrisburg, PA Objectively, absolutely nothing will change whatsoever, which brings me back to Fr. It is their dissent and heterodoxy and lack of courage that have caused all of this to happen. I disagree with you, however, that the FSSP should be avoided. St. Catharines, ON Zero. A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. sedevacantists dont believe the chair of peter is vacant theres no different/various groups within the sedevacantist movement. http://iconicjesus.org/home/category/objections-to-divine-mercy-sunday/. SAGUTO - Michael D., on June 12, 2009 of Syosset, NY. Dallas, TX Scranton, PA Saguto (FSSPDistrict Superior) 31 May 4:30pm St. Victor Church in Hollywood (Los Angeles) ORGANPROCESSIONAL Organist: Meaghan King 120. ********** And to do it using the lame excuse that one is trying to speak the truth and warn others is to be blind to ones true motives. Confraternity of St. Peter You are supporting evil. The bottom line, in my opinion, is he is merely a distraction from the real issues facing the Catholic world and the world in general. There are validly consecrated priests & bishops worldwide to shepherd & provide (valid-it must be noted,) Sacraments to the faithful by the thousands. Oklahoma City, OK Adam and Eve tried to steal a glimpse of something they should not have, to put themselves in a position of control they could not have, and that is why faith was so insisted upon by our Lord throughout the Gospel. Search. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? Ottawa, ON Nevertheless, his blog, writing style, and persona seemed to be totally different to me from that day forward. I hope all you FSSP faithful and supporters remember this when you are putting the envelope in the basket on Sunday. Is there no one out there who can challenge poikolby and rich, and others here who detract from the reputations of these men, and from the reputation of the FSSP but me? Ottawa, ON However, over the last year and a half U.S. dioceses and religious orders serving most of the Catholics in the country have released lists of "credibly accused" abusers who have served in their ranks, using their own criteria for whom to include. Liturgical Guides to the Seasons http://youtu.be/S_vwwajyASI. Priest Training Workshops Lexington, KY They do not understand epikeia at all it seems to me. me) Die for Him? [Jesus: The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 6th group sedevacantism those who belong to this group regard the chair of peter vacant there are different variations/groups of sedevacantism but mainly beleive there hastnt been a true pope since the death of pope pius xii 1958.1 of the main reasons they beleive this is that a formal herectic cannot hold office and therefore places himself outside the church. But when we try to support one when it does emerge, we have to be clear in holding them up to high standards of governance. ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL & MPLS. I literally admire your use of sarcasm & I must admit, its well executed & actually appreciated. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? There are many doctrinal errors in this mans supposed apparitions. Joliet, IL The FSSP accepts the new mass and Vatican II. General Chaplain Father Stefan Reiner. In charity, I pray that every Catholic should be as blessed. She looks forward to any opportunities she may have to care for the beautiful families in this community! IMHO what you point out is important. If you dont mind-consider a few thingsyou dont have to respond-this is not a challenge. These latest round of attacks is the fruit of Father Wolfes influence that is a manifestly provable fact. We have been baptized into Christs death, the greatest act of love ever displayed and graciously made available to all. The FSSP does not have time to respond to every crackpot coming down the internet pike. Gerard Saguto, FSSP November 15, 2019 From Archbishop Bernard A. Fresno, CA So let me go on record here by saying that I will gladly sit with Michael Voris on a live program to discuss specific reasons why no Catholic should ever be forced to sign off on Vatican II as an integral part of tradition.. Many people think the Dimond bros are fanatics (God knows what they would think of St. John the Baptist, Jesus Christ or even St. Paul or St. Catherine of Sienna etc.) ** Since I am not under religious vows, my opportunities for disobedience are rather limited, since I otherwise adhere to all traditional teachings of the Church. He wont say aloud it now for reasons that well discuss shortly. Sadly SSPX faithful went to a FSSP Priest (who I wont name) with problems in their marriages and the FSSP told these Catholics YOU ARE NOT MARRIED so sadly original sin being what it is one of the spouses took advantage of the error of the FSSP Priest left the family. Take any good news with a grain of salt when it comes from modernists. So, what exactly will change at the stroke of twelve? The Pope grants (to what he may consider the schismatic) SSPX jurisdiction to grant absolution. We laughed hard. The fact that he has since set up an FSSP parish doesnt really fully redress that injustice, to my mind. Catholics are watching and waiting. As such, he looked upon the SSPX and its purpose for existing with, if not with support, a degree of understanding that is now nonexistent. With regard to the heresy of Modernism running rampant & the Modernist Sect of which Bergoglio is head which occupies what were once Catholic parishes, it takes weeks, months, years to comprehend all that. Mr. Peter McShurley ('14), Rev. b) Moreover, I should like to remind theologians and other experts in the ecclesiastical sciences that they should feel themselves called upon to answer in the present circumstances. marian, The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter has served All Saints since 2013. With Thanksgiving Day, many are (or were, depending on where you live) looking forward to getting together at home and spending time with family and friends. The clown Masses, the lack of faith on the part of leaders, the abuses, the watered-down catechesis, the lesbian nuns, the gay priests, the destruction of the Faith by religious orders, and on and on. MEMORIALS. FSSP NA on YouTube As such, the pope can make a formal declaration of schism based upon the SSPXs refusal to accept the errors of the Council, and guess what? 1st group attend the new mass at local parishes this ranges from sunday catholics too conservative and everything in between can comprise of people who dont make good use of the sacraments to parish council types , eucharistic ministers etc. Voris- shmoriswho cares? But, respectfully, I cannot agree that the FSSP has abandoned Christ through their current status. But for the Presidents creativity, the College would have failed two years before it did. * Sunday Mass at St. Paul's College Chapel, Ponsonby. It doesnt take a Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots, folks. Falling away from the Church is falling away from love of a Person, a veritable running away from the home Christ built. The FSSP is also responsible for the break up of several Catholic marriages. From one not typical traditionalist to another (Im a sedevacantist, you know that radioactive, flea-bitten & lice infested group rejected by all,) I agree with lots of what you say. However, there are a couple of ways to regain perspective and renew vigor. Furthermore, Ive been informed that Fr. Such initiatives and efforts need not be tiresome, but the sacrifice that goes into being thoughtful and present has a cost, be it in personal time or convenience. More like battle weary at times while being good soldiers of Christ. Edmonton, AB I think they wanted an experienced priest to help Fr. The problems with the FSSP are doctrinal: Lol.it wont be happening my friend. The Bishop did not stop Nicholson. has his way, they just might get one: Fairy(see) Fellay! 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